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		<title>US anti-Zionist synagogue gutted</title>
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<h3><span style="color:#000000;"><a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/6518033.stm">US anti-Zionist synagogue gutted</a></span></h3>
<h5><span><span style="font-size:x-small;">Neturei Karta members believe in the abolition of the state of Israel</span></span></h5>
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<p><span style="font-size:x-small;"><strong>A synagogue of an anti-Zionist Jewish group has been destroyed in a fire.</strong> </span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:x-small;">The blaze tore through a synagogue of Neturei Karta near New York and the residence of a senior rabbi. Police have established a crime scene and are investigating the cause of the fire. The ultra-orthodox group has recently been the target of threats. </span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:x-small;">Last year, five members of the group attended a Tehran conference questioning the Holocaust and met Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad. </span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size:x-small;"><strong>Arson claims</strong> </span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:x-small;">Rabbi Moshe Beck, who lives in the building in the town of Monsey &#8211; about 30 miles (48km) from New York &#8211; was in London when the fire broke out, said <strong>Neturei Karta</strong> member Rabbi Yisroel Dovid Weiss. </span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:x-small;">Mr Weiss said the group believes it was targeted by arsonists because it had previously received threats. </span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:x-small;"><strong><span style="color:#0000ff;"><em>&#8220;There&#8217;s no question that the issue is to stifle the opposition to Zionism,&#8221;</em></span></strong> he said to AP news agency. </span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:x-small;">Police would not confirm whether they were treating the fire as suspicious. </span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:x-small;">Neturei Karta opposes the existence of the state of Israel on religious grounds. </span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:x-small;">Members of the group &#8211; whose name means &#8220;Guardians of the City&#8221; &#8211; believe Jews should live under Arab Muslim rule until the Messiah comes.</span></p>
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		<title>‘Marriage to an Arab is national treason’</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[‘Marriage to an Arab is national treason’ Recent poll reveals steep rise in racist views against Arabs in Israel; many participants feel hatred, fear when overhearing Arabic, 75% don’t approve of shared apartment buildings Over half of the Jewish population in Israel believes the marriage of a Jewish woman to an Arab man is equal [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=fateoftheirfathers.wordpress.com&amp;blog=5002173&amp;post=95&amp;subd=fateoftheirfathers&amp;ref=&amp;feed=1" width="1" height="1" />]]></description>
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<p style="text-align:justify;"><span><span class="text16g" dir="ltr"><strong>Recent poll reveals steep rise in racist views against Arabs in Israel; many participants feel hatred, fear when overhearing Arabic, 75% don’t approve of shared apartment buildings</strong></span></span><span class="text14"></span></p>
<p style="text-align:justify;"><span class="text14"><span>Over half of the<strong> Jewish population </strong>in Israel believes the marriage of a<strong> Jewish woman to an Arab man </strong>is equal to national <span style="color:#0000ff;"><strong>treason</strong></span>, according to a recent survey by the<span style="color:#0000ff;"><strong> Geocartography Institute. </strong></span></span></span></p>
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<p><span class="text14"><span> The survey, which was conducted for the <strong><span style="color:#0000ff;">Centre Against Racism</span></strong>, also found that<br />
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<li><span class="text14"></span><span class="text14"><span>over 75% of participants did not approve of apartment buildings being shared between Arabs and Jews.</span></span></li>
<li><span class="text14"></span><span class="text14"><span>60% of participants said they would not allow an Arab to visit their home.<strong> Five hundred</strong> Jewish men and women participated in the poll, which was published Tuesday. </span></span></li>
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<p><span class="text14"><span> According to the survey, <strong>racism against Arabs in Israel</strong> has seen a sharp rise since a similar survey was conducted two years ago.<br />
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<li><span class="text14"><span> In 2006, 247 racist acts against Arabs were reported, as opposed to 225 one year prior.<br />
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<li><span class="text14"><span> About 40% of participants agreed that<strong><em> “Arabs should have their right to vote for Knesset revoked”.</em></strong></span></span></li>
<li><span class="text14"></span><span class="text14"><span>The number was 55% lower in the previous survey. Also,<br />
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<li><span class="text14"><span>over half of the participants agreed that Israel should encourage its Arab citizens to immigrate from the country. </span></span></li>
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<p style="text-align:justify;"><span class="text14"><span>Over half of the participants said they would not want to work under the direct management of an Arab, and 55% said </span></span></p>
<blockquote><p><span style="color:#0000ff;"><em>“Arabs and Jews should be separated at entertainment sites”. </em></span></p></blockquote>
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<p class="pHeader">‘Arab culture inferior’</p>
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<p style="text-align:justify;">Participants were asked what they felt when they overheard someone speaking Arabic.</p>
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<p style="text-align:justify;">31% said they felt hatred, while</p>
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<li><span class="text14"><span>50% said they felt fear.
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<li><span class="text14"><span><span class="text14"><span>Over 56% of participants said they believed that Israel’s Arab citizens posed both a security and a demographic threat to the country.<br />
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<p><span class="text14"><span><span class="text14"><span>When asked what they thought of Arab culture,<br />
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<li><span class="text14"><span><span class="text14"><span>over 37% replied, “The Arab culture is inferior.”
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<p><span style="color:#0000ff;"><em>“The<strong> Centre Against Racism</strong> has set itself a goal to monitor all racial incidents against Arab citizens, and to fight racism as much as possible under the law through public action,” the centre annual report said. </em></span></p>
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<p style="text-align:justify;">Bachar Ouda, the center&#8217;s director, said the survey’s findings were worrisome, and urged the government to intervene in the situation.</p>
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<p style="text-align:justify;"><span style="color:#0000ff;"><em>“We call on the education minister to take the gloves off and deal with the issue seriously, because it is dangerous to coexistence. We call on the state prosecutions office, and the attorney general to take action,” Ouda said.</em></span></p>
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<p><span style="color:#008000;"><strong><em><span><span class="text14" style="color:#646464;">by Roee Nahmias</span></span></em></strong></span></p>
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		<description><![CDATA[Jerusalem Police against chastity squad . Meah Shearim residents agitated following wave of arrests of &#8216;modesty guard&#8217; activists. In one of demonstrations held every evening, youngsters flip over police car in capital. &#8216;The chastity squad activists are doing what the police should be doing,&#8217; senior community member says Clashes on Yoel St., Thursday (Photo: Pini [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=fateoftheirfathers.wordpress.com&amp;blog=5002173&amp;post=89&amp;subd=fateoftheirfathers&amp;ref=&amp;feed=1" width="1" height="1" />]]></description>
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<h3 class="text20b" style="display:inline;"><span class="text16g" dir="ltr"><strong>Meah Shearim residents agitated following wave of arrests of &#8216;modesty guard&#8217; activists. In one of demonstrations held every evening, youngsters flip over police car in capital. </strong></span></h3>
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<h3 class="text20b" style="display:inline;"><span class="text16g" dir="ltr"><strong>&#8216;The chastity squad activists are doing what the police should be doing,&#8217; senior community </strong></span></h3>
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<h3 class="text20b" style="display:inline;"><a href="http://www.ynetnews.com/"><span class="text14"><span><span style="font-weight:bold;font-size:13px;">Clashes on Yoel St., Thursday (Photo: Pini Rosen)</span></span></span></a></h3>
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<p style="text-align:justify;"><span class="text14"><span style="color:#000000;"><strong>The ultra-Orthodox neighbourhood</strong></span> of Meah Shearim in Jerusalem was shaken up last week following the arrest of three residents suspected of being active in the haredi community&#8217;s chastity squad.</span></p>
<p style="text-align:justify;"><span class="text14">Demonstrations in protest of the arrest were held in the neighbourhood&#8217;s Shabbat Square every evening in the past week, and on Thursday, protesters clashed with police forces and even flipped over a police car on Yoel Street. </span></p>
<p class="text20b" style="display:inline;text-align:justify;"><span class="text14">The first person arrested three weeks ago was Elhanan Buzaglo, who was i<strong>ndicted of <a class="bluelink" href="http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3582713,00.html" target="_blank">attacking</a> a woman suspected of improper ties with married men</strong> in the capital&#8217;s Maalot Dafna neighbourhood. According to the indictment, Buzaglo received <strong><span style="color:#888888;"><span style="color:#000000;">$2,000</span> </span><span style="color:#888888;">i</span></strong>n return for his involvement in the attack.</span></p>
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<p class="text20b" style="display:inline;text-align:justify;">Following his arrest, two additional suspects were detained last week. One of them is Shmuel Weisfish, who was allegedly involved in the torching of a store selling MP4 players against a <a class="bluelink" href="http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3561923,00.html" target="_blank">ruling</a> of the Ultra-Orthodox community&#8217;s court of justice.</p>
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<p class="text20b" style="display:inline;text-align:justify;">On Wednesday, the police arrested Binyamin Meirovich, a Jerusalem resident suspected of being one of<span style="color:#000000;"> <strong>the chastity squad&#8217;s leaders</strong></span>, and the person responsible for the organization&#8217;s operations. The police were expected to ask the court to extend his remand on Friday.</p>
<h4 class="pHeader"><span style="text-decoration:underline;">Battle against MP4 players</span></h4>
<p style="text-align:justify;">The protests against the three men&#8217;s arrest were intensified Monday after the court decided to leave Weisfish in custody for seven additional days. The demonstrators directed their anger at a store on the Shabbat Square accused of selling <strong><span style="color:#0000ff;"><em>&#8220;non-kosher&#8221; </em></span></strong>MP4 players.</p>
<p style="display:inline;text-align:justify;">On Wednesday evening, a group of yeshiva students demonstrated opposite another store in Meah Shearim, demanding that it stop selling<span style="color:#0000ff;"><strong><em> &#8220;impure films.&#8221; </em></strong></span></p>
<p style="display:inline;text-align:justify;">The <strong>haredi community</strong> accused the police of<span style="color:#0000ff;"><strong><em> &#8220;deciding to destroy the chastity squad,&#8221;</em></strong></span> according to a prominent community member, who said that the &#8220;modesty guard&#8221; had nothing to do with the violent incidents.</p>
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<p style="display:inline;"><span style="color:#0000ff;"><em>&#8220;The chastity squad members are doing the work the police should have done. Instead of thanking us for putting things in order, they are acting against us and trying to destroy the guard,&#8221; he added.</em></span></p>
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<h5 class="text20b" style="display:inline;"><span class="text14"><span><span style="font-weight:bold;font-size:13px;">&#8220;Instead of saying thank you, they arrest us&#8221;</span></span></span></h5>
<p style="text-align:justify;"><strong>Jerusalem Police Spokesman</strong> Shmulik Ben Ruby said in response that <span style="color:#0000ff;"><em>&#8220;following a strenuous investigation conducted over the past weeks, three haredi men suspected of hooliganism, attacks and vandalism were arrested and brought before the court for a remand hearing. </em></span></p>
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<p style="text-align:justify;"><span style="color:#0000ff;"><em>&#8220;The court extended their remand, and the police plan to recommend that they be charged with severe violations and belonging to an illegal organization harassing some of the haredi community members whose conduct is not to the liking of the chastity squad thugs.&#8221;</em></span></p>
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<h3 class="pHeader"><span class="text14"><span style="text-decoration:underline;">Murder threats</span> </span></h3>
<p style="text-align:justify;"><span class="text14">The indictment filed against Buzaglo unrolls the details of the severe incident.</span></p>
<blockquote><p><span style="color:#0000ff;"><em><span class="text14">&#8220;On June 1, 2008, at around 10:45 pm, the defendant arrived with six other people at the complainant&#8217;s home, armed with a bat and tear gas. The defendant and the others shoved the complainant, dropped her to the floor, beat her, slammed her head against the floor and kicked all parts of her body. The defendant or one of the others sat on her head in a bid to prevent her from seeing what was going on and to prevent her from resisting. </span></em></span></p>
<p><span class="text14" style="color:#0000ff;"><em>&#8220;The defendant and the others also tied a piece of cloth to the complainant&#8217;s mouth and warned her that should she open her eyes they would spray tear gas into them. The defendant or one of the others interrogated the complainant on her relations with men and asked for those men&#8217;s details. The assailants took two cell phones from the complainant in order to check the names of those who called her.</em> </span></p></blockquote>
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<p style="text-align:justify;"><span style="color:#0000ff;"><em><span class="text14">&#8220;At the end of the incident, the defendant or one of the others told the complainant that she must leave her apartment, otherwise &#8216;this will only be the beginning,&#8217; and that if she remained there she would be murdered.&#8221; </span></em></span></p>
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<p style="text-align:justify;"><span class="text14">Following the incident, <strong>the complainant suffered from serious injuries in all parts of her body and was in need of medical care. </strong></span></p>
<p style="text-align:justify;"><span class="text14">According to the indictment, the complainant stated that the threats against her did not cease after the severe incident <strong>she described and that had she received continuous threatening phone calls throughout the following week. </strong></span></p>
<p style="text-align:justify;"><span class="text14">A month later, she found a threatening letter in her mailbox and decided to leave her apartment, although her leasing contract would only expire in about a year. </span></p>
<p style="text-align:justify;"><span class="text14">Buzaglo was arrested after the police found his fingerprints in the complainant&#8217;s apartment, although he denied the accusations and the complainant said she didn&#8217;t know him and had never seen him before. </span></p>
<p style="text-align:justify;"><span class="text14"><strong>Judge Nava Ben Or</strong> was convinced that Buzaglo was not ideologically affiliated with the chastity squads, but ruled that he appeared to be &#8220;a rented fist&#8221;. </span></p>
<blockquote><p><span class="text14" style="color:#0000ff;"><em>&#8220;A man who is allegedly willing to take part in the cruel beating of a young and helpless woman, &#8216;suspected&#8217; of socializing with married men, and all this solely for money, is a dangerous, conscienceless person with no inhibitions. His activity in the framework of such an organization makes his dangerousness seven times worse,&#8221; the judge added.</em> </span></p></blockquote>
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<p style="text-align:justify;"><span class="text14"><strong>The judge</strong> explained her decision to leave Buzaglo in custody, saying that the court had a duty to protect the defendant, that there was fear the defendant would attempt to disrupt the investigation and that he was convicted of violent offences in the past, including blackmail. </span></p>
<p style="text-align:justify;"><span class="text14">Buzaglo&#8217;s lawyer, Attorney Ariel Atari told Ynet that he would appeal the court&#8217;s decision. </span></p>
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		<description><![CDATA[You SPIT on the dead of the Jewish Holocaust. Apart from the Armenian Holocaust, there were never so many to die violently for their religion than the Jews in WW2 in recent history. In human history, more humans have died violently for their BELIEF in a god, gods or none than other cause. Belief in [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=fateoftheirfathers.wordpress.com&amp;blog=5002173&amp;post=84&amp;subd=fateoftheirfathers&amp;ref=&amp;feed=1" width="1" height="1" />]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<h3><a href="http://digg.com/political_opinion/For_We_Need_Them_Not">You SPIT on the dead of the Jewish Holocaust</a>.</h3>
<p style="text-align:justify;">Apart from the <strong>Armenian Holocaust</strong>, there were never so many to die violently for their religion than the Jews in WW2 in recent history. In human history, more humans have died violently for their BELIEF in a god, gods or none than other cause. Belief in something for which there is no proof, but complete trust. If the Jews that survived the Holocaust have no belief in the right of all to have a belief in a god then those Jews are SPITTING on the dead Jews of the Holocaust.<strong> Their deaths can only have meaning if you defend the right of all Jews and OTHERS to believe in their god.</strong></p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">The right to believe in no god is as important a right as those that do.<strong> I believe in the equality of ALL</strong>. That I don&#8217;t believe in any god doesn&#8217;t lessen my right to my non-belief or my duty to defend those that do believe in their god. Should I only defend the right of those with a Christian belief, or a Jewish belief, but not a Muslim belief?<br />
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<li><span style="color:#000000;"><strong>Can the rat pack member truly believe that the tears of Gentiles for the Jewish dead of the Holocaust are but crocodile tears?</strong> </span></li>
<li>Am I less human because I don&#8217;t believe in his god or any god?</li>
<li><strong>Why is his god special above all other gods?</strong></li>
<li>Is the god of hate and retribution superior to gods of love?</li>
<li>I may disagree with his concept of a god but still defend his right to believe in his god. Why must I be for or against but not neutral?</li>
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<p style="text-align:justify;">So if I&#8217;m no longer a believing Christian then I cannot defend a deliberate insult to the Christian faith, as another rat pack member would argue? They&#8217;ve been so used to insulting Islam that insulting Christians and Jesus Christ is but a small step.</p>
<blockquote><p><span style="color:#0000ff;"><em><br />
@ Cointelproagen says &#8230;&#8221;Here in the US where I live, we are free to insult anyone&#8217;s god. So fuck your god Hitler or whoever you pray to.&#8221; </em></span></p></blockquote>
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Yet, if you say anything against Jews or their world, <strong>the ADL or their ilk</strong> are after you with <strong>anti-Semitic charges</strong>. When was the last anti-Muslin or anti-Christian charge.</span></p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">It is this extraordinary twisted logic that is the kernel of the difficulties that America faces today. Another rat pack member believes that <strong><span style="color:#000000;">Islamophobia </span></strong>commenced there after 9/11. I believe that the neoconservatives were working at stirring up hatred of Arabs and Muslims long before 9/11. <strong>To be pro-Israel, hatred of its opponents was required and dictated US foreign policy.<br />
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If we accept the official version of 9/11, then a tiny band of zealots pulled off the most extraordinary American holocaust under the noses of the entire American security system! <strong>And for that the whole Muslim world is to blame?!!!</strong> What if the official version is untrue? What if friends of the dancing Zionists did it, or controlled who did it, or could have prevented it?!!! Obviously <strong>YOU WOULD INVADE ISRAEL, just like Afghanistan and Iraq!!!</strong></p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">Was the Iraq invasion not a religious war to justify the removal of one man?!!! I keep asking why not a <strong>Mossad assassins bullet</strong> to <span style="color:#0000ff;"><em>&#8220;rid me of this meddlesome priest&#8221;</em></span> on this occasion, unless regime change was never the Zionist agenda, ever. Answer?! Think of all those young true Americans &#8211; from the<strong> Marshall Islands, to the Blacks, to the Latinos, to the poor Whites</strong>, on thought to the opposite extreme to the minute number of Zionist &#8211; who died for the Zionist agenda abroad in Iraq. How many of the rat pack have served in the US forces? More than served in the IDF?!!!</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;"><strong><span style="color:#0000ff;">Yes, I&#8217;m the anti-Zionist.</span></strong> Why so fervently if I&#8217;m so happy with my own life? Hypocrisy, I guess! The constant denigration of all things Muslim or Arab in the <strong>Zionist controlled US media</strong>. All part of the <strong>Islamophobia agenda</strong>. Yet, far odder events happen in Israel that are seldom reported in the US. <strong>Why this double standard?</strong> To match the double loyalties? Should I continue my mission or cease? Zionist need not respond.</p>
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<p style="text-align:justify;"><span style="color:#0000ff;"><em>@ <strong>Monsieurginger</strong> says&#8221;Your are not &#8230;, your concerns are misplaced. &#8220;I am that I am&#8221; is a retard. You see, here, I insulted my own god which I don&#8217;t believe in. Anyway, I thought jesus wasn&#8217;t a god&#8221;. </em></span></p>
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<p style="text-align:justify;">As usual, there&#8217;s not much that I understand of the triple-loyalty challenged cretin child, so that I normally just block him but here, not only would he not use <strong>Jesus</strong>, but he goes much further with <strong>his INSULT to Christians with his cheap shot denial of Jesus being god,</strong> or the son of god to be accurate. If he chooses to insult his own god is his business, if both childish and stupid but deliberating insulting the Christian god is every Christian&#8217;s business. That&#8217;s how is constantly if you are Muslim. In America, you are so used to it that you don&#8217;t see it.</p>
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<span style="color:#0000ff;"><em>@ <strong>Thenwo</strong> says &#8220;We have a reason to be concerned about fundamentalist Muslims, &#8230;dangerous when compared with the fundamentalist Muslims, who are more interested in death and Sharia.&#8221;</em></span></p></blockquote>
<p style="text-align:justify;"><span style="color:#0000ff;"><span style="color:#000000;">He</span></span><span style="color:#000000;"> </span>makes some attempt at a rational argument, but it&#8217;s of the <span style="color:#0000ff;"><em>&#8216;my dick is bigger that your dick&#8217; </em></span>style of argument as to the violence of one holy book as against the other. I&#8217;ve not read the<strong> Qur&#8217;an</strong> so I cannot compare. I have read the old testament as a child and don&#8217;t think I am yet over the trauma of its violence. Not until I read <strong>Leon Uris </strong>did I encounter such murder and mayhem. Of course it was Arabs doing the dying then too at Zionist hands.</p>
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<p style="text-align:justify;"><span style="color:#0000ff;"><em>@<strong>Dkapuchino</strong> says &#8230; &#8220;As for your absurd claims of genocide, wanna take a guess who&#8217;s #10 in the world in population GROWTH? That&#8217;s right, the palestinians.&#8221;</em></span></p>
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<p>There may be two reasons for this.</p>
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<li><strong><span style="color:#0000ff;">First</span></strong> is the rate of<strong> slow genocide in practice by the population obsessed Zionist</strong> is just less than the Palestinian ability to replace the dead children, so check how many dead Palestinian children there are.</li>
<li><span style="color:#0000ff;"><strong>Second</strong></span> is that all humans respond to disasters, man make or natural, by increasing their birth rate. An explanation as to why the Zionist population is not increasing at <strong>the rate of import of instant citizens, the dubious settlers to steal Arab land with the convenience of the state,</strong> might be a better exercise. How many are making use of the duel citizenship Zionist to escape state-side to bring there hate filled message to unsuspecting Christian Americans? How many of them have<strong> Russian criminal backgrounds</strong>?</li>
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<p style="text-align:justify;">
Please cease and desist from SPITTING on the dead Jews of the Holocaust.</p>
<p><a href="http://digg.com/political_opinion/For_We_Need_Them_Not?t=19004883#c19004883">on 09/21/2008</a></p>
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<h5><span><span>An ultra-Orthodox man walks past a sign calling on women to dress modestly in a religious neighbourhood in Jerusalem, Friday, Sept. 12, 2008. </span></span><span><span>In Israel&#8217;s ultra-Orthodox Jewish community, where the rule of law takes a back seat to the rule of God, religious zealots are on a crusade to stamp out unchaste behaviour. They hurl stones at women for &#8220;sins&#8221; as trivial as wearing a red blouse, and attack stores that sell devices that can access the Internet. In recent weeks, modesty enforcers have been accused of breaking into the apartment of a Jerusalem woman and beating her because they suspected she consorted with men. They also torched a store that sells MP4 players, fearing devout Jews would use them to download pornography. (AP Photo/Sebastian Scheiner)</span></span></h5>
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<h6><span><span>An ultra orthodox Jewish man blows the Shofar (ram&#8217;s horn) during the ?Selichot?, Jewish penitential poems and prayers, at the Western Wall in Jerusalem?s old city on September 21, 2008. 7:10 a.m. ET, 9/21/08</span></span></h6>
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<h5><span><span>An ultra-Orthodox Jewish boy reaches for a chicken, later to be slaughtered as part of a Kaparot ritual in which it is believed that one transfers one&#8217;s sins from the past year into the chicken, in Mea Shearim ultra-orthodox neighborhood in Jerusalem, Monday, Oct. 6, 2008. The ritual is performed before the Day of Atonement, Yom Kippur, the holiest day in the Jewish year which starts at sundown Wednesday. The chicken is then slaughtered and given to charity.<br />
1:42 p.m. ET, 10/6/08</span></span></h5>
<p><img class="photo" src="http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/086B2Yxbw4bIF/610x.jpg" alt="Iran's President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad greets Rabbi Moshe Ber Beck of Neturei Karta, a fringe Ultra-Orthodox movement within the anti-Zionist bloc, during a meeting in New York, September 24, 2008. From Reuters Pictures by REUTERS." width="798" height="601" /></p>
<p><strong>Iran&#8217;s President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad </strong>greets <span class="highlight">Rabbi</span> Moshe Ber Beck of <strong>Neturei Karta</strong>,</p>
<p>a fringe Ultra-Orthodox movement within the anti-Zionist bloc, during a meeting in New York, September 24, 2008.</p>
<p><img class="photo" src="http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/0djebeS1p418K/610x.jpg" alt="Western Wall Rabbi Shmuel Rabinovitz removes notes from the cracks of the Western Wall, Judaism&#39;s holiest prayer site, in the Old City of Jerusalem September 23, 2008. As the Jewish New Year draws near, Rabbi Rabinovitz headed the team that cleaned out the cracks and made room for more paper notes that Jews believe are notes to God. From Reuters Pictures by REUTERS." width="808" height="553" /></p>
<p>Shmuel Rabinovitz removes notes from the cracks of the Western Wall, Judaism&#8217;s holiest prayer site, in the Old City of Jerusalem September 23, 2008. As the Jewish New Year draws near, <span class="highlight">Rabbi</span> Rabinovitz headed the team that cleaned out the cracks and made room for more paper notes that Jews believe are notes to God</p>
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<p>JULY 31:  Ultra-Orthodox Jews pray over month-old infant Yehoshua Rosenboim, who lies in a silver bowl on the <span class="highlight">rabbi</span>&#8216;s table, as they perform the Redemption Of The First Born ceremony at the Lalov synagogue July 31, 2008 in Bnei Brak in central Israel. According to Jewish biblical law, every naturally-born first-born child who is male belongs to God, and his parents should &#8220;redeem&#8221; him by making a symbolic payment to a Cohen, a Jewish man descended from the first Jewish priest Aaron, the brother of the biblical Moses.</p>
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		<description><![CDATA[Jewish ‘modesty patrols’ sow fear in Israel Some terrified that mere perception of impropriety could ruin their lives JERUSALEM &#8211; In Israel&#8217;s ultra-Orthodox Jewish community, where the rule of law sometimes takes a back seat to the rule of God, zealots are on a campaign to stamp out behaviour they consider unchaste. They hurl stones [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=fateoftheirfathers.wordpress.com&amp;blog=5002173&amp;post=73&amp;subd=fateoftheirfathers&amp;ref=&amp;feed=1" width="1" height="1" />]]></description>
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<h3>Jewish ‘<a href="http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/27023066/">modesty patrols</a>’ sow fear in Israel</h3>
<h3>Some terrified that mere perception of impropriety could ruin their lives</h3>
<p><strong>JERUSALEM</strong> &#8211; In Israel&#8217;s <strong>ultra-Orthodox Jewish community</strong>, where the rule of law sometimes takes a back seat to the rule of God, <span style="color:#0000ff;"><strong>zealots are on a campaign to stamp out behaviour they consider unchaste</strong></span>.</p>
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<li>They hurl stones at women for such &#8220;sins&#8221; as wearing a red blouse and attack stores selling devices that can access the Internet.</li>
</ul>
<ul>
<li>In recent weeks, self-styled <span style="color:#0000ff;"><strong>&#8220;modesty patrols&#8221;</strong></span> have been accused of breaking into the apartment of a Jerusalem woman and beating her for allegedly consorting with men.</li>
<li>They have torched a store that sells <span style="color:#800000;"><strong>MP4 players,</strong></span> fearing devout Jews would use them to download <span style="color:#800000;"><strong>pornography</strong></span>.</li>
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<p class="textBodyBlack" style="text-align:justify;"><em>&#8220;These breaches of purity and modesty endanger our community,&#8221; said 38-year-old Elchanan Blau, </em><strong>defending the bearded, black-robed zealots</strong><em>. &#8220;If it takes fire to get them to stop, then so be it.&#8221;</em></p>
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<p><a id="linkImgRelatedPhotos" href="http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/27023649/displaymode/1176/rstry/27023066/"><img class="alignright" style="border:1px solid #000000;" title="Israel modesty" src="http://msnbcmedia4.msn.com/j/msnbc/Components/Photo/_new/081004-Israel-modesty-hmed-315p.hmedium.jpg" border="0" alt="Israel modesty" hspace="0" vspace="0" /></a></p>
<h6><span style="color:#800000;">An ultra-Orthodox man walks past a sign calling on women to dress modestly in a religious neighbourhood in Jerusalem.</span></h6>
<p>Many<strong> ultra-Orthodox Jews </strong>are dismayed by the violence, but the enforcers often enjoy quiet approval from rabbis eager to protect their own reputations as <strong>guardians of the faith</strong>, community members say. And while some welcome anything that keeps secular culture out of their cloistered world, others feel terrorized, knowing that the mere perception of impropriety could ruin their lives.</p>
<p class="textBodyBlack"><span style="color:#0000ff;"><em>&#8220;There are eyes and ears all over the place, very similar to what you hear about in countries like<strong> Iran</strong>,&#8221;</em></span> says Israeli-American novelist<strong> Naomi Ragen, an observant Jew </strong>who has chronicled the troubles that confront some women living in the <strong>ultra-Orthodox world.</strong></p>
<p class="textBodyBlack">The violence has already deepened the antagonism between the<strong> 600,000 haredim,</strong> or God-fearing, and the secular majority, which resents having religious rules dictated to them.</p>
<p class="textBodyBlack"><span style="color:#0000ff;"><strong>Religious vigilantes</strong></span> operate in a society that has granted their community influence well beyond its numbers — partly out of a commitment to revive the great centres of Jewish scholarship destroyed in the Holocaust, but also because the Orthodox are perennial king-makers in Israeli coalition politics.</p>
<p class="textBodyBlack">Thus public transport is grounded for the Jewish Sabbath each Saturday, and the rabbis control all Jewish marriage and divorce in Israel.</p>
<p class="textBodyBlack">In recent years, however, the <strong>haredim</strong> have eased up on their long campaign to impose their rules on secular areas, and nowadays many restaurants and suburban shopping centres are open on the Sabbath.</p>
<ul>
<li>These days, <strong>most vigilante attacks take place in the zealots&#8217; own neighbourhoods.</strong></li>
</ul>
<h4><strong><strong>&#8216;They can burn in hell&#8217;</strong></strong></h4>
<p class="textBodyBlack">Israel police spokesman Micky Rosenfeld said the <strong>modesty police</strong> are not an organized phenomenon, just rogue enforcers carrying out isolated attacks. But <strong>Israel&#8217;s Justice Ministry</strong> used the term <span style="color:#0000ff;"><strong><em>&#8220;modesty patrols&#8221; </em></strong></span>in an indictment against a man accused of assaulting the Jerusalem woman.</p>
<ul>
<li>The unidentified, 31-year-old woman had left the <strong>ultra-Orthodox </strong>fold after getting divorced, according to the indictment filed by the <strong>Jerusalem district attorney&#8217;s offic</strong>e.</li>
<li>The indictment said her assailant tried to get her to leave her apartment in a <strong><span style="color:#0000ff;">haredi neighbourhood </span></strong>in Jerusalem by <strong><span style="color:#0000ff;">gagging, beating and threatening to kill he</span></strong>r.</li>
<li>He was paid $2,000 for the attack, it said.</li>
</ul>
<p class="textBodyBlack">A 17-year-old who moved to Israel from<strong> New York</strong> five years ago said she was hospitalized after being attacked with <strong>pepper spray</strong> by a crowd of men outraged that she was walking down a Jerusalem street with boys.</p>
<p class="textBodyBlack"><strong><span style="color:#0000ff;"><em>&#8220;They can burn in hell,&#8221;</em></span></strong> said the girl, who would identify herself only as Rivka.</p>
<p class="textBodyBlack">She lives in<strong> Beit Shemesh,</strong> a town outside Jerusalem where the <span style="color:#0000ff;"><strong>vigilantism </strong></span>has been particularly violent. <strong><span style="color:#0000ff;">Zealots</span></strong> there have <span style="color:#0000ff;"><strong>thrown rocks and spat at women, and set fire to trash bins to protest impiety.</strong></span> Walls of the neighbourhood are plastered with signs exhorting women to dress modestly — spelled out as closed-necked, long-sleeved blouses and long skirts.</p>
<p class="textBodyBlack"><img class="alignnone" style="border:1px solid #000000;" title="Israel modesty" src="http://msnbcmedia1.msn.com/j/ap/6f52bb99-462b-406d-9269-1afc32df1df0.standard.jpg" border="0" alt="Israel modesty" hspace="0" vspace="0" align="left" /></p>
<h6><span style="color:#0000ff;"><strong>An ultra-Orthodox woman walks past a shop selling long-sleeve shirts and ankle-length skirts.</strong></span></h6>
<h4><strong><strong>&#8216;Stupid troublemakers&#8217;</strong></strong></h4>
<p>The state, catering to <span style="color:#800000;"><strong>religious sensitivities, subsidizes gender-segregated bus routes</strong></span> that service religious neighbourhoods. Ragen and several other women challenged the practice in <strong>Israel&#8217;s Supreme Court</strong> after an O<strong>rthodox Canadian woman</strong> in her 50s told police she was kicked, slapped, pushed to the floor and spat upon by men for refusing to move to the back of the bus.</p>
<p class="textBodyBlack">Another Beit Shemesh girl, who asked to be identified only as Esther, said <strong>zealots threw rocks,</strong> cursed and spat at a friend for wearing a red blouse — taboo because the colour attracts attention.</p>
<p class="textBodyBlack">Yitzhak Polack, a 50-year-old Jerusalem teacher, is one of those who deplore such behaviour.</p>
<blockquote>
<p style="text-align:justify;"><span style="color:#0000ff;"><em>&#8220;They are stupid troublemakers who are bringing shame and disgrace on this holy community,&#8221; he said</em></span>.</p>
</blockquote>
<p class="textBodyBlack">But the <strong>rabbis </strong>are afraid to condemn them, says Yehuda Meshi-Zahav, another community member.</p>
<blockquote>
<p class="textBodyBlack" style="text-align:justify;"><span style="color:#0000ff;"><em>&#8220;They can&#8217;t come out against zealots who champion modesty. Here and there they write against violence, but the militants ultimately set the tone,&#8221; he said. Stores are targeted too.</em></span></p>
</blockquote>
<h4 class="textBodyBlack"><strong><strong>&#8216;This store burns souls&#8217;</strong></strong></h4>
<p class="textBodyBlack">In August, a Jerusalem man was placed under house arrest on suspicion he set fire to a store in a haredi district of the city that sold MP4 players.</p>
<blockquote>
<p class="textBodyBlack"><span style="color:#0000ff;"><em>&#8220;It started about six months ago. They would come into the store, about 15 of them at a time, screaming, &#8216;This store burns souls!&#8217; and they would throw merchandise on the floor and threaten customers,&#8221; said 31-year-old Aaron Gold, a haredi worker at the Space electronic store.</em></span></p>
</blockquote>
<p>One Friday night, just before the Sabbath was about to begin, <span style="color:#0000ff;"><strong><em>&#8220;they smashed a window, doused the place with gasoline and lit a match,&#8221;</em></strong></span> Gold said.</p>
<p>Now, a big sign behind the counter says, &#8220;<strong><span style="color:#0000ff;"><em>All products sold in this store are under rabbinical  supervision. By order of the rabbis, no MP4s are sold here.&#8221;</em></span></strong></p>
<p class="textBodyBlack">Clothing stores that sell clothes regarded as provocative have been vandalized, and bleach thrown at merchandise.</p>
<h4><strong><strong>Suspicion sparks attack</strong></strong></h4>
<p class="textBodyBlack">Girls have been expelled from school after being seen talking to boys, a punishment that ruins their marriage prospects.</p>
<blockquote>
<p style="text-align:justify;"><span style="color:#0000ff;"><em>&#8220;It could be very innocent; she could be talking to her brother,&#8221; Ragen said. But once thrown out of school, &#8220;no one — NO ONE — will take you in,&#8221; she added.</em></span></p>
</blockquote>
<p class="textBodyBlack">In one case, the violence reached the highest levels of<strong> haredi society</strong>.</p>
<ul>
<li>Three years ago, a <strong>son of Israel&#8217;s Sephardi chief rabbi, Shlomo Amar</strong>, was accused of kidnapping a 17-year-old boy,<strong> <span style="color:#0000ff;">beating him at knife point and terrorizing him with snarling dogs because he had sought the attentions of the accused&#8217;s non-chaperoned sister</span>.</strong></li>
</ul>
<p>The son was sentenced to two years and eight months in jail. His sister married a different suitor the following year.</p>
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<h5><span><span>An Ultra-orthodox Jewish man performs the Kaparot ceremony in Mea Shearim Ultra Orthodox neighbourhood of Jerusalem on October 6, 2008. According to Jewish beliefs, the ritual is supposed to transfer the sins of the past year to the chicken, and is performed before the Day of Atonement, or Yom Kippur, the most important day in the Jewish calendar, which this year falls October 8.<br />
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<h5><span><span>An ultra orthodox Jewish man blows the Shofar (ram&#8217;s horn) during the ?Selichot?, Jewish penitential poems and prayers, at the Western Wall in Jerusalem?s old city on September 21, 2008.<br />
7:10 a.m. ET, 9/21/08</span></span></h5>
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<h5>Ultra-orthodox Jewish men perform the Kaparot ceremony in Mea Shearim Ultra Orthodox neighborhood of Jerusalem on October 6, 2008. According to Jewish beliefs, the ritual is supposed to transfer the sins of the past year to the chicken, and is performed before the Day of Atonement, or Yom Kippur, the most important day in the Jewish calendar, which this year falls Oct 8.</h5>
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		<description><![CDATA[Religious Affairs: Honour, haredi-style Which restaurants and food products are kosher and which are not? Who is allowed to get married and who is not? Who can be a rabbi and who cannot? Last week, elections took place to choose the state-empowered body &#8211; the Chief Rabbinate Council &#8211; that is supposed to answer these [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=fateoftheirfathers.wordpress.com&amp;blog=5002173&amp;post=66&amp;subd=fateoftheirfathers&amp;ref=&amp;feed=1" width="1" height="1" />]]></description>
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<p style="text-align:justify;"><span class="lead">Which restaurants and food products are<strong> kosher</strong> and which are not? Who is allowed to get<span style="color:#888888;"><strong><span style="color:#000000;"> married</span></strong> </span>and who is not? Who can be a <span style="color:#000000;"><strong>rabbi </strong></span>and who cannot? </span></p>
<p style="text-align:justify;"><span class="lead">Last week, elections took place to choose the state-empowered body &#8211; the <strong>Chief Rabbinate Council</strong> &#8211; that is supposed to answer these questions. <strong><span style="color:#0000ff;">The elections were an upset</span></strong>. The <span style="color:#000000;"><strong>non-hassidic, Lithuanian-haredi rabbinic leadership</strong></span>, which gradually has been gaining more power within the <strong>Chief Rabbinate</strong>, suffered a major setback. Two of its veteran members, R<strong>abbi of Rehovot Simcha Hakohen Kook and chairman of the Neighbourhood Rabbis Council Moshe Rauchverger</strong>, who is also a neighbourhood rabbi in the <strong>Haifa </strong>area, were voted out of the council.</span></p>
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<h6><span class="lead"><strong><span style="color:#0000ff;"><span class="lead">Shas&#8217; spiritual leader Rabbi Ovadia Yosef.</span></span></strong> </span></h6>
<p style="text-align:justify;"><span class="lead"><span class="lead"><img class="alignleft" style="border-color:#666666;" title="Shas' spiritual leader Rabbi..." src="http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?blobcol=urlimage&amp;blobheader=image%2Fjpeg&amp;blobheadername1=Cache-Control&amp;blobheadervalue1=max-age%3D420&amp;blobkey=id&amp;blobtable=JPImage&amp;blobwhere=1198517334171&amp;cachecontrol=5%3A0%3A0+*%2F*%2F*&amp;ssbinary=true" border="1" alt="Shas' spiritual leader Rabbi..." width="224" height="218" /></span></span></p>
<p style="text-align:justify;"><strong><span style="color:#000000;">Rauchverger and Kook</span></strong>, both connected to the Degel Hatorah party and adamantly backed by Rabbi Yosef Shalom Elyashiv, the supreme halachic authority of the<strong> haredi Ashkenazi community</strong>, were replaced by two rabbis who do not necessarily adhere to his decisions.</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">One of them, <strong>Rabbi Ya&#8217;acov Shapira, is a symbol of <span style="color:#0000ff;">religious Zionism</span>. </strong>He is the son of <strong>former Ashkenazi chief rabbi</strong> the l<strong>ate Avraham Shapira</strong>, considered the most important halachic authority of <span style="color:#0000ff;"><strong>religious Zionists </strong></span>until his death a year ago. Shapira inherited from his father the position of <strong>head of Mercaz Harav Yeshiva</strong>, the flagship educational institute for <span style="color:#0000ff;"><strong>religious-Zionist rabbis. </strong></span></p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">The other new face is <strong>Ya&#8217;acov Ruzah, rabbi of the Tel Aviv Burial Society</strong> and the L. Greenberg <strong>Institute for Forensic Medicine</strong> at <strong>Abu Kabir. Ruzah&#8217;s </strong>halachic decisions permitting autopsies in cases in which foul play is suspected has raised the rancour of more zealous elements of Orthodoxy, who argue that any mutilation of the body is desecration and blasphemy, since man is created in God&#8217;s image.</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">But the major victor in last week&#8217;s elections was Shas. The Sephardi-haredi party &#8211; led by Rabbi Ovadia Yosef, considered the preeminent halachic authority for Sephardi Jewry &#8211; managed to get Yosef&#8217;s son, Avraham, into the Chief Rabbinate Council, despite the opposition of the Lithuanian-haredi rabbinic establishment.</p>
<p>In a battle between two rabbinic titans, Yosef won out over Elyashiv.</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">SINCE ITS founding in the early 1980s, Shas has been deferential to the <strong>Lithuanian rabbinic leadership</strong>. The very establishment of the party was orchestrated under the tutelage of Rabbi Elazar Shach, the charismatic, fiery leader of Lithuanian-haredi Jewry before the more low-key nonagenarian Elyashiv.</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">Perhaps the most dramatic example of Shas&#8217;s previous deference to <strong><span style="color:#0000ff;">Ashkenazi hegemony was a political scheme</span></strong> which later went down in Israeli political annals as the <span style="color:#0000ff;"><strong><em>&#8220;stinking manoeuvre.&#8221; </em></strong></span></p>
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<li><span class="lead"><span style="color:#0000ff;"><strong>In 1990,</strong></span> the national unity government headed by <strong>Yitzhak Shamir </strong>turned down a US request to begin negotiations with the Palestinians over the fate of <strong>Judea, Samaria and Gaza. </strong> </span></li>
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<li><span class="lead"><strong>Shimon Peres</strong>, who demanded that the government accept the <strong><span style="color:#0000ff;">US request</span></strong>, secretly attempted to put together a narrow left-wing coalition to replace the national unity government. </span></li>
<li><span class="lead">However, <strong>Peres&#8217;s </strong>political escapade failed after Shas backed out under pressure from Shach. </span></li>
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<p style="text-align:justify;"><span class="lead">Shas mentor Yosef could not bear to open up a front against the <strong>Lithuanians</strong> and against <strong>Shach. Yosef, </strong>who is a halachic authority in his own right and has revolutionized the field of Halacha, could not single-handedly take on the elite Ashkenazi rabbinic leadership, with its venerable tradition of talmudic erudition and long history of scholarship and educational institutions.</span></p>
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<li><span class="lead">Shach and Elyashiv claim to represent an <strong>impeccable, unbroken rabbinic lineage, reaching back hundreds of years,</strong> that can boast of dozens of talmudic luminaries, educated in the most important Torah centres of the modern era. </span></li>
<li><span class="lead">Before the <strong>Holocaust, Lithuania, Poland, Ukraine and Russia produced the dominant figures of rabbinic authority. </strong> </span></li>
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<p style="text-align:justify;"><span class="lead">Yosef is aware of the relatively subordinate position held by Sephardi Torah scholarship in the modern era. He is intent on using Shas as a catalyst for boosting the education level. Looking back longingly to the golden era of Sephardi erudition, when men such as <strong>Maimonides, Shlomo Aderet and Yosef Karo </strong>were the towering halachic authorities of their times, Yosef hoped to <span style="color:#0000ff;"><strong><em>&#8220;return the crown to its rightful owner&#8221;</em></strong></span> after several hundred years of decline, and rehabilitate Sephardi scholarship. Until that happened, however, Yosef had to cooperate with the <strong>Ashkenazi leadershi</strong>p.</span></p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">Whenever possible, Shas has tried to work with the Lithuanian yeshiva world. For instance, in the vote last year for rabbinical judges, Shas joined forces with Degel Hatorah to control the appointments.</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">However, in last week&#8217;s vote, Shas could not back down to <strong>Ashkenazi</strong> demands. According to sources close to the rabbinate, Yosef is grooming <strong>his son, Avraham, rabbi of Ashdod</strong>, for the <strong>chief Sephardi rabbi</strong> slot in four years. Getting him elected to the Chief Rabbinate Council is an important step in that direction.</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">MEANWHILE, THE <strong>Ashkenazi leadership</strong> did everything in its power to block Yosef&#8217;s son from getting elected. <strong>Elyashiv</strong> is ardently opposed to Avraham Yosef&#8217;s lenient position on laws governing the <em>shmita year, which rests on his father&#8217;s rulings. </em></p>
<p style="text-align:justify;"><em>Yosef has supported the controversial practice known as <em><strong><span style="color:#0000ff;">heter mechira</span></strong>, </em>which involves <strong>the temporary sale of agricultural land to gentiles.</strong> This <span style="color:#0000ff;"><strong>&#8220;sale&#8221;</strong></span> abrogates the special sanctity of the land of Israel in the sabbatical year, and enables Jews to continue to work the land. If not for the sale, the land would have to be allowed to rest. </em></p>
<p style="text-align:justify;"><em><strong>Ashkenazi haredi rabbis</strong> are particularly irked by what they consider A<strong>vraham Yosef&#8217;s</strong> irreverent style. He has a regular program on the popular<strong> Radio Kol Chai station</strong>, during which he delineates his halachic decisions in an authoritative, terse manner. Yosef, who answers questions from listeners, regularly attacks dissenting opinions, without mentioning names, including opinions held by Elyashiv. </em></p>
<p style="text-align:justify;"><em>Shas sees the Ashkenazi attempt to block Yosef&#8217;s appointment as a blatantly inappropriate form of intervention. After all, the 10 new appointments to the council are split into two groups &#8211; five Ashkenazim and five Sephardim. </em></p>
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<p><span class="lead"><strong>Shimon Peres</strong>, who demanded that the government accept the <strong><span style="color:#0000ff;">US request</span></strong>, secretly attempted to put together a narrow left-wing coalition to replace the national unity government. </span></p>
<p style="text-align:justify;"><span class="lead"><em>practice known as <em><strong><span style="color:#0000ff;">heter mechira</span></strong>, </em>which involves <strong>the temporary sale of agricultural land to gentiles</strong></em></span></p>
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		<description><![CDATA[Judaism&#8217;s golden mean An ultra-Orthodox couple from Beit Shemesh are under arrest for allegedly assaulting at least some of their 12 children. Sadly, that&#8217;s not earth-shattering news in a country where child abuse seems to be on the rise. That some of the couple&#8217;s children may have engaged in incest only adds to the grotesque [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=fateoftheirfathers.wordpress.com&amp;blog=5002173&amp;post=61&amp;subd=fateoftheirfathers&amp;ref=&amp;feed=1" width="1" height="1" />]]></description>
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<p style="text-align:justify;"><span class="lead"><img class="alignleft" style="border-color:#666666;" title="A woman who allegedly abused..." src="http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?blobcol=urlimage&amp;blobheader=image%2Fjpeg&amp;blobheadername1=Cache-Control&amp;blobheadervalue1=max-age%3D420&amp;blobkey=id&amp;blobtable=JPImage&amp;blobwhere=1206446101672&amp;cachecontrol=5%3A0%3A0+*%2F*%2F*&amp;ssbinary=true" border="1" alt="A woman who allegedly abused..." width="295" height="198" /></span><span class="lead">An<strong> ultra-Orthodox coupl</strong>e from Beit Shemesh are under arrest for <strong>allegedly assaulting at least some of their 12 children</strong>. </span><span style="color:#800000;"><strong><span class="lead">Sadly, that&#8217;s not earth-shattering news in a country where child abuse seems to be on the rise. That some of the couple&#8217;s children may have engaged in incest only adds to the grotesque revelations. </span></strong></span></p>
<p style="text-align:justify;"><span class="lead">Yet what makes this story truly bizarre is that the <strong>54-year-old wife and mother</strong> involved also heads a sect of several dozen women who maintain a <span style="color:#800000;">Taliban-like dress code requiring them to cover their faces and wear multiple layers of clothing. </span></span></p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">Meanwhile, in Jerusalem, in <strong>another ultra-Orthodox household,</strong> several people are under police investigation for abusing two toddlers. <span style="color:#800000;"><strong>The youngest remains hospitalized and in a coma. </strong></span><strong>The mother allegedly &#8220;corrected&#8221; the children&#8217;s behaviour by whipping them</strong>. Police insinuate she may be part of a sect which <strong>adheres to violent child-rearing practices</strong>.</p>
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<p style="text-align:justify;"><span class="lead">Then there was the shocking bombing in Ariel on Purim, which critically wounded 15-year-old Ami Ortiz, the son of M<strong>essianic Christian pastor David Ortiz. A court order </strong>prevents detailing the direction of the investigation. What does seem apparent is that the perpetrators were <strong>Jewish extremists</strong>. </span></p>
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<li><span class="lead">Messianics insist that one can remain a loyal Jew while professing faith in Jesus as the Son of God and the Messiah. </span></li>
<li><span class="lead">In fact, this theology is abhorrent to Jews and Judaism. </span></li>
<li><span class="lead">Christians who identify themselves as Jewish have long complained of violent harassment, most recently in Beersheba and Arad. Not a few messianic Jews live among us as <span style="color:#0000ff;"><em>&#8220;reverse Marranos,&#8221; </em></span>frightened to share their true identity for fear of persecution. Plainly, for those who<strong> proselytize &#8211; a practice insulting in Jewish eyes</strong> &#8211; such concerns are not misplaced. </span></li>
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<p style="text-align:justify;"><span class="lead"><span class="lead">Finally, there is the decree of the <strong>chief rabbi of Kiryat Arba, Dov Lior,</strong> coming in the wake of the <strong>March 7 massacre at Mercaz Harav Yeshiva</strong>, which claimed the lives of eight students, that it is <span style="color:#0000ff;"><strong><em>&#8220;forbidden&#8221;</em></strong></span> to<strong> rent homes to Arabs or employ Arabs</strong> anywhere in Israel. Other <strong>religious Zionist rabbis</strong> have also supported a ban on Arab labor.</span></span></p>
<p style="text-align:justify;"><span class="lead">THERE MAY not be a pattern here, but all these are manifestations of <strong>religious extremism</strong> seemingly tolerated by the community in which they took place.</span></p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">Take the <strong>deviant deportment</strong> of the &#8220;<span style="color:#0000ff;"><em>Taliban mother.&#8221;</em></span> Anyone who moves around, as this family reportedly did, among the country&#8217;s various <strong>ultra-Orthodox communities</strong>, will almost immediately come into contact with their synagogues, rabbis, communal leaders and teachers. In these communities a fair amount of privacy is willingly sacrificed for a life within <strong>the all-embracing collective.</strong> Peer pressure is the norm.</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">That being so, why was there no intervention? After all, had the <span style="color:#0000ff;"><em>&#8220;Taliban family&#8221;</em></span> made it their practice to drive on Shabbat, their car would quite likely have been stoned by those irate at this desecration of the holy day.</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">There was at least one attempt by a neighbor to sound the alarm via Internet postings, but did more of the family&#8217;s genuinely pious neighbors, who may have suspected something was not right, report their qualms? And if not, what happened to the principle that all Jews are responsible for one another?</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">Or take the attack on the <strong>Ortiz family</strong>. We&#8217;ve heard <strong>Ariel Mayor Ron Nachman </strong>condemn the bombing. Likewise, Penina Taylor, of <strong>Jews for Judaism</strong>, says unequivocally that her anti-missionary group denounces the <span style="color:#0000ff;"><strong><em>&#8220;atrocity&#8221; and prays for &#8220;the complete healing of this boy and the arrest and conviction of the perpetrator[s] of this heinous crime.&#8221; </em></strong></span>Amen to that.</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">But we&#8217;d like to hear leading rabbis in the <strong>haredi and national religious community</strong> explicitly denounce all anti-missionary violence &#8211; not just the <strong>Ortiz attack</strong>, but also the ongoing harassment in <strong>Arad and Beersheb</strong>a.</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">Let them say what we all know: that in a sovereign Jewish state such violence is<strong> immoral, illegal and contemptible. </strong>Further, and more broadly, let our spiritual leaders declare that <span style="color:#0000ff;"><strong>fanaticism </strong></span>- whether that embodied in the Taliban of Beit Shemesh, or in blanket prohibitions on all Arab labour &#8211; goes beyond the bounds of Judaism.</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">It was not only Aristotle who preached the desirability of the golden mean. <strong>Authentic Judaism,</strong> too, has always sought a balance between <span style="color:#0000ff;"><strong><em>&#8220;too much and too little.&#8221; </em></strong></span>Clearly, the lesson needs to be taught anew; and it is up to those we turn to for spiritual succour to teach it.</p>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ashkenazi haredim lose majority in Chief Rabbinate membership vote The leaders of Ashkenazi haredim suffered a blow to their hegemony in the Chief Rabbinate on Tuesday night while Shas and the national religious camp scored significant victories. In a vote for 10 new members of the Chief Rabbinate&#8217;s Rabbinical Council, a large number of religious [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=fateoftheirfathers.wordpress.com&amp;blog=5002173&amp;post=53&amp;subd=fateoftheirfathers&amp;ref=&amp;feed=1" width="1" height="1" />]]></description>
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<p style="text-align:justify;"><strong>The leaders of Ashkenazi haredim</strong> suffered a blow to their hegemony in the Chief Rabbinate on Tuesday night while Shas and the national religious camp scored significant victories.</p>
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<p style="text-align:justify;">In a vote for 10 new members of the Chief Rabbinate&#8217;s Rabbinical Council, a large number of religious Zionist and Shas-backed rabbis were voted in. Rabbis Ya&#8217;acov Shapira, head of Jerusalem&#8217;s Zionist flagship Mercaz Harav Yeshiva, was chosen along with Rabbi Shmuel Eliyahu, chief rabbi of Safed. Both Eliyahu and Shapira are sons of former chief rabbis and both are considered national religious.</p>
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<p style="text-align:justify;">Religious Zionist rabbis who did not make it include Shoham Chief Rabbi David Stav, who is also spokesman for the Hesder Yeshivot and a senior member of Tzohar Rabbis, and Kiryat Shmona Chief Rabbi Tzfania Drori.</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">But the biggest upset was the election of <strong>Ashdod Chief Rabbi Avraham Yosef, the son of Shas mentor Rabbi Ovadia Yosef. </strong>The <strong>Lithuanian haredi rabbinic leadership</strong> was strongly opposed to Yosef&#8217;s election, so much so that it caused a schism between Shas and the Ashkenazi haredim.</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">This schism over Avraham Yosef&#8217;s appointment, which was strongly backed by Ovadia Yosef, prevented Shas and the Ashkenazi haredim from forming a voting bloc that would have given them control of the elections. Yosef&#8217;s election was seen as a major victory for Shas.</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">Rabbi Yosef Shalom Elyashiv, the supreme halachic authority for Ashkenazi haredim, opposed Yosef&#8217;s election due to Yosef&#8217;s lenient approach on laws governing the shmita [Sabbatical] year.</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;"><span class="lead">Avraham Yosef personally oversaw implementation of a halachic ruling called &#8220;heter mechira&#8221; that approved sale of produce this Jewish year, which is a shmita year.</p>
<p>However, Yosef will probably not be able to take control of the Chief Rabbinate&#8217;s kashrut supervision as he had hoped since Rabbi Yosef Gliksman, present chairman of the Rabbinate&#8217;s kashrut council, was reelected to the council.</p>
<p>Ten new rabbis, five Ashkenazi and five Sephardi, were chosen for five-year terms.</p>
<p>Ashkenazi rabbis elected include Rabbi Yitzhak David Grossman, of Migdal Ha&#8217;emek, known as the disco rabbi for his outreach with young disco-goers, Rabbi Ya&#8217;acov Ruzah, of the Tel Aviv Burial Society, and Rabbi Yitzhak Ralbag, marriage registrar of Jerusalem.</p>
<p>Sephardi rabbis included Rabbi Yitzhak Peretz of Ra&#8217;anana, Rabbi Shimon Elituv of Mateh Binyamin a Chabad Hassid, and Rabbi Ratzon Arrusi of Kiryat Ono.</p>
<p>One hundred an fifty rabbis and public servants convened to vote for the governing council, the final authority on issues involving criteria for the Chief Rabbinate&#8217;s kashrut supervision standards. The council also is responsible for defining who is a Jew for the purpose of marriage (Jews are not permitted to marry non-Jews according to Halacha), and for approving the appointments of new state-paid rabbis on both the neighborhood and city levels.</p>
<p>In addition to the 10 elected rabbis, five additional rabbis who are members of the council &#8211; both chief rabbis of Israel, Shlomo Amar and Yonah Metzger, as well as the chief rabbis of the nation&#8217;s largest cities: Rabbi Yisrael Meir Lau (Tel Aviv), Rabbi Shlomo Chelouche (Haifa) and Rabbi Yehuda Deri (Beersheba). Jerusalem does not have a chief rabbi.</p>
<p>One of the issues waiting to be decided by the governing council is whether to allow rabbis who receive a salary from the state to enjoy additional sources of income from conducting weddings, giving lectures or providing kashrut supervision.</p>
<p>If they had been able to cooperate, any two of the three groups making up the Chief Rabbinate could have controlled the voting. However, <strong><span style="color:#888888;"><span style="color:#000000;">bickering and ideological differences prevented this</span>.</span></strong></p>
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<p><span class="lead">The three groups making up the chief rabbinate are</p>
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<li><span class="lead">Shas, which represents Sephardi haredi Jewry,
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<li><span class="lead">the two Ashkenazi haredi parties, Degel Hatorah and Agudath Yisrael, and
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<li><span class="lead">the National Religious Party, which represents Zionist rabbis.
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<p style="text-align:justify;"><span class="lead">Half of the 150-person voting body that chose the 10 rabbis is made up of public officials: the mayors of the nation&#8217;s 25 largest cities, the heads of the six largest local councils, four largest regional councils and 14 largest religious councils, as well as the heads of the religious councils covering the four largest areas.</p>
<p>The other half of the voting body is made up of the chief rabbis of the the largest cities, local and regional councils and moshavim.</p>
<p>The size of local and regional councils and cities is determined by the size of the Jewish population.</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">In addition, two government ministers, five MKs and 10 public officials appointed by Religious Services Minister Yitzhak Cohen (Shas) are on the voting body.</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;"><span class="byline">Sep 23, 2008 22:39 </span></p>
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		<description><![CDATA[Messianic Jews promote Ethiopian aliya Under Operation Tikva, through which thousands of people in Ethiopia are provided with clean water, money for food and educational services, they are also reminded often that they are Jews and that the people of Israel are waiting for them. What makes Operation Tikva different than other Jewish aid programs [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=fateoftheirfathers.wordpress.com&amp;blog=5002173&amp;post=49&amp;subd=fateoftheirfathers&amp;ref=&amp;feed=1" width="1" height="1" />]]></description>
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<p style="text-align:justify;"><span class="lead">Under <strong>Operation Tikva</strong>, through which thousands of people in<strong> Ethiopia</strong> are provided with clean water, money for food and educational services, t<span style="color:#0000ff;"><strong>hey are also reminded often that they are Jews and that the people of Israel are waiting for them. </strong></span></span></p>
<p style="text-align:justify;"><span class="lead">What makes <strong>Operation Tikva</strong> different than other <strong>Jewish aid programs</strong> in <strong>Ethiopia</strong>, however, is that neither the <strong>Israeli government</strong>, the J<strong>ewish Agency for Israel, </strong>nor any other recognized aliya organization is involved in it. In fact, <span style="color:#0000ff;"><em><span style="color:#800000;"><strong>The Jerusalem Post</strong></span> </em></span>has learned it is a program run by <strong>Messianic Jewish missionaries</strong>, and very few people in Israel even know about it.</span></p>
<p>It seems that while Israel has officially stopped encouraging the immigration of thousands of <strong>Ethiopians </strong>either via the <span style="color:#0000ff;"><strong>Law of Return </strong><span style="color:#000000;">or</span><strong> the Law of Entry</strong></span>, other groups have taken up the task.</p>
<p>These <strong>Messianic Jewish missionaries </strong>continue to be active in far-flung<strong> villages of northern Ethiopia</strong>, telling local farming communities there that <strong>God, Israel and the Jewish people</strong> are rooting for them, even though <span style="color:#800000;"><strong>their ancestral link to Judaism is tenuous at best.</strong></span></p>
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<p>Run by the <strong>Messianic Jewish Alliance of America (MJAA), Operation Tikva </strong>is contravening the Israeli government&#8217;s attempts over the last year to wind down official aliya operations in Ethiopia, and the project is being viewed in Jerusalem with alarm.</p>
<blockquote><p><span style="color:#0000ff;"><em>&#8220;I don&#8217;t believe that we are working against the Israeli government,&#8221; MJAA General Secretary Joel Chernoff, told </em><em>The Jerusalem Post in response Thursday. </em></span></p>
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<p><span style="color:#0000ff;"><em>&#8220;The political situation in Israel can always change and we believe that what has happened to these people is a major injustice,&#8221; he said. </em></span></p></blockquote>
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<li><span class="lead">According to Chernoff there are between 50,000-70,000 Ethiopian Messianic Jews who are being discriminated against by the Israeli government based on their beliefs. </span></li>
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<p style="text-align:justify;"><span class="lead"><span class="lead">Messianic Jews believe that Yeshua (Jesus) is their Messiah, but still consider themselves to be Jewish. Jews of other denominations do not consider <strong>Messianic Judaism </strong>to be a form of Judaism, but a form of Christianity.</span></span></p>
<blockquote><p><span style="color:#0000ff;"><em>&#8220;These people are viewed by the government of Ethiopia and by their neighbors as Jews and are persecuted as such,&#8221; argued Chernoff, adding that it all &#8220;boils down to the fact that Israel has decided not to accept Jews who believe in Jesus.&#8221; </em></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#0000ff;"><em>&#8220;These people are clearly not Jewish and they are working in areas where none of the people are Jews either; everything they are telling these people are lies,&#8221; </em></span></p></blockquote>
<p>said <strong>Rabbi Menachem Waldman, a member of the Public Council for Ethiopian Jews</strong>, which has successfully persuaded the Israeli government to continue checking the eligibility for immigration of a further <strong>3,000 Falash Mura (Ethiopian Jews </strong>whose ancestors converted to <span style="color:#0000ff;"><strong>Christianity </strong></span>more than a century ago) from the same region of Ethiopia.</p>
<blockquote><p><span style="color:#0000ff;"><em>&#8220;This organization [the MJAA] and the people that it is working with in Ethiopia are in no way associated with the Falash Mura community currently waiting in Gondar for Israeli government approval to immigrate,&#8221; said Waldman, adding that missionary activity in the area is not a new phenomenon. </em></span></p></blockquote>
<p>In contrast to the <strong>MJAA, the Public Council for Ethiopian Jews,</strong> which is made up of Israeli-based Ethiopian community members and politicians, maintains that only 8,700 Jews remain in Ethiopia who must be checked for aliya by <strong>Israel&#8217;s Interior Ministry. </strong></p>
<p>Currently, the government&#8217;s criteria for immigration to Israel is based on a 1999 census known as the Efrati list, as well as a maternal link to Judaism and relatives already living in Israel.</p>
<p><strong>Aveje Manhanei,</strong> who runs an Israeli-based Web community dedicated to preserving the traditions and culture of Ethiopian Jewry, told the <em>Post</em>, &#8220;If Israel does not put a stop to this activity as soon as possible then there will eventually be another 75 million Ethiopians demanding to make aliya.&#8221;</p>
<p>He said that a significant number of Ethiopian Israelis, specifically those who arrived here during <strong>Operations Moses (1984-5) and Solomon (1991)</strong> and are known as<strong> Beta Israel Jews</strong>, are &#8220;angered&#8221; over the activities of this <strong>Messianic organization both in Ethiopia and here in Israel. </strong></p>
<p>What has upset Manhanei and other community members the most is several short video clips that have been posted on the Internet &#8211; on the MJAA&#8217;s official Web site and on YouTube &#8211; showing raggedly-dressed and poverty-stricken Ethiopian children who are labeled as Beta Israel Jews by the MJAA and whom the organization claims were left behind by the Israelis in the poor African country.</p>
<p>An official from the movement, visiting a water-well site near Gondar donated by the organization, is seen and heard on the video as asking those gathered, &#8220;How many people here want to go home to Israel?&#8221;</p>
<p>The following frame shows almost all of those present raising their arms.</p>
<p>The official then adds: &#8220;We are doing our best for you here and in Israel.&#8221;</p>
<p>In another scene, <strong><span style="color:#0000ff;">MJAA representative Kokeb Gedamu,</span></strong> who refers to himself as a rabbi, says:</p>
<blockquote><p><span style="color:#0000ff;"><em> &#8220;With God&#8217;s help we can take these people home to Israel.&#8221; </em></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#0000ff;"><em>&#8220;They are filling these people with empty promises,&#8221; commented Waldman, who helped compile the Efrati list. </em></span></p></blockquote>
<p>Chernoff denied that his organization was giving these people false hope about a future in Israel, responding that &#8220;these people have a lot of hope that in the future it will be different and they will be accepted.&#8221;</p>
<p><strong>The Prime Minister&#8217;s Office</strong> said in a statement that it was not aware of such Jewish Messianic activities in the Gondar area but, following <em>The Jerusalem Post</em>&#8216;s inquiry, it planned to check into the issue.</p>
<p>A spokesman for the <strong>Jewish Agency </strong>said its role in the African country was not to determine who is eligible for aliya but rather to facilitate the immigration of those approved by the <strong><span style="color:#0000ff;">Israeli government. </span></strong></p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">He said that the feeding centers and health clinics currently in Gondar were not under the Agency&#8217;s control.</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;"><strong><span class="byline">Sep 28, 2008 </span></strong></p>
<p style="text-align:justify;"><strong><em><span class="byline">By <a href="mailto:reglash@jpost.com"> RUTH EGLASH </a></span></em></strong></p>
<p><span class="lead"><strong>Jewish Agency for Israel, </strong></span></p>
<p><span class="lead"> <strong>Messianic Jewish Alliance of America (MJAA),  Operation Tikva</strong></span></p>
<p><span class="lead"><span class="lead"><strong>Operations Moses (1984-5) and Solomon (1991)</strong></span></span></p>
<p><strong><span class="lead">Rabbi Menachem Waldman, a member of the Public Council for Ethiopian Jews</span></strong></p>
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